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Acting to Awakening [Full DVD]


Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Good evening. Sadhguru: Namaskar. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): I must clarify
beforehand that my questions do not need to necessarily make me
out to be an intelligent man. I don’t want to be intelligent
or to be taken so seriously that… that’s Sadhguru’s responsibility to answer them (Sadhguru Laughs). My questions will have the curiosity of a child who wants
to sort of know. Maybe I’m representing all of you. But I don’t mind making a fool of myself
as long as I get some answers. Sadhguru: You are in a very advantageous position. That is because there can be
nothing wrong with a question. Only answers are a problem.
Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Okay. (Laughter/Applause) Sadhguru: So it’s “advantage you”
in the very beginning (Laughs). Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Great.
Let’s start with my first question. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): There’s a very
intriguing… people make these great prophecies about world coming to an end et cetera. Will the world come to an end in 2012? Sadhguru: So all those people who firmly believe that the world is going to come to an end
the coming year… What I would tell them is…
we have lot of work to do. I have lots of work to do. 2013, first January, because anyway
2012 the world is going to end On 2013, first January, all your wealth and money
and everything, please write it to Isha Foundation, there is work to do. (Laughter/Applause). The world is anyway going to end,
what are you going to do with your money? For them this is just an entertainment. They don’t believe enough to give away everything
and get ready. They just want to play with it. All vain minds are always looking at prophecies. They are looking at predictions because
they don’t have a plan for their life. Those who are incapable of making plans,
always fall back on predictions and prophecies. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Yeah but… I’ll just request to give me two percent
of that money that goes to your Foundation. Do you believe that there is a God? Sadhguru: Let’s come to this. Before we handle God, let’s handle belief first. Why do you believe something? One believes something because they are not
sincere enough to admit that they do not know. There’re only two ways to be. Either you know something
or you do not know something. But whatever you do not know,
when you bullshit yourself, it’s called as belief. Instead of simply admi tting “I do not know”
you want to believe something. Somebody believes there is god, somebody believes
there is no god, both are in the same boat. They think they are different but both of them are
not straight enough to admit that they do not know. What is the problem in seeing
what I do not know as I do not know? They have a problem because they do not understand
the immensity of, “I do not know.” “I do not know,” is a tremendous possibility. Only if you see, “I do not know,”
the possibility of knowing arises within you. If you see, “I do not know,”
the longing to know will come. If the longing comes, seeking will come. If seeking comes the possibility is alive in your life. Everything that you do not know if you believe
you’re destroying the very possibility of knowing. There are belief systems and
belief systems and belief systems. But at the same time the idea of God is universal. Why this has come is it is perfectly all right
for people to create a god. This is the thing about this culture. Here we have thirty-three million gods and
goddesses, because this is the only culture which understood god is our making. There is something called as Ishta Devata. You can create your own god today. If you can look at all the existing gods,
if you don’t like them, you can make your own god, a tree in your garden, a rock in your garden,
your mother, your wife, anybody you want, or whatever you want. You like this vessel you can make this your god. Nobody thinks anything weird about it in this country,
because we understand this is our making. After all in every piece of creation
the hand of the creator is there. Whatever you can relate to, you use that. It’s perfectly fine. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): I don’t want
to argue on this. So do you think all our epics, Mahabharata,
Ramayan, Shankar, Ram, Sita, they are fake? Sadhguru: No, they have a historicity. There are buildings to prove that they were there,
it’s still in dispute. The dispute is on means they were definitely there,
isn’t it ? Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Okay. (Laughter) Interviewer (Anupam Kher): No, I will still
want to probe a little further on this topic. We have major Mandir, Masjid issue,
Ayodhya issue et cetera, et cetera. We’re still fighting about that. So why is all that fighting and fighting going on,
if there is no god or if there is a belief? Sadhguru: I did not say that. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): No, you said
there is a belief. People needed somebody as a belief of god. Sadhguru: Yes, all the fight in the world is
not between good and evil as people project it to be. All the fight in the world is between
one man’s belief versus another man’s belief. If you saw, “I really do not know,”
you wouldn’t fight with anybody. Because you believe one thing and
somebody believes something else, you’re invariably going to fight today or tomorrow. It’s just a question of if you can
manage them for some time. Someday it’ll spill out on the street. There was a time when people worked
with the instrument of belief when the human intellect was in a certain way. Today it is time – there is substantial
intellect on the planet. Today it is time that we establish a
certain level of seeking in a human being rather than just pumping him up with belief. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Why do people believe you? Sadhguru: Who said they believe me? Interviewer (Anupam Kher): This is a huge full house. Everybody is clapping… Sadhguru: No, no, they’re looking… they’re
sitting there evaluating every word that I say. I don’t think they believe whatever I say (Applause). To me they look smart enough
to understand and evaluate. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): I have performed
in this auditorium. It’s never been so full (Laughter). So there has to be something, in their belief
in you, which makes them look up at you. Why do they trust you,
why do they believe in you so much? Sadhguru: No, let’s take off the word “belief.” Yes, they trust me. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Okay, my word
(Sadhguru Laughs) maybe different. Do you think that Sadhguru has powers which
you don’t have (Gestures towards participants)? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: They can’t ride a motorcycle like me, I’m sure. (Laughter) Interviewer (Anupam Kher): What are those powers? What makes you different? What makes you special? what makes Pallavi Gupta writing
a book on you went calling it, “You.” What makes people over here, so many people
I know who will not come to a function like this, they are here and they are here on time. What is it in you that makes you different? Sadhguru: Because they know if they don’t come on time, I won’t let them in. (Laughter/Applause) Interviewer (Anupam Kher): But they dare not do that. So what makes you different? Sadhguru: So, what is different? It is not a question of something being different. When you don’t try to be special,
when you just live as life is, that you don’t try to make yourself special. Because wanting to be special
is coming from a certain… an emptiness, or a certain inadequacy
within a human being. Where is the need to be special? Every human being is unique in his own way. If he tries to be special he’ll only end up
aping somebody, he will not be himself. So when the life is unique, every leaf on the planet is unique, every atom in the existence is unique, where is the need for you to be special? Being unique is better than being special, isn’t it? Interviewer (Anupam Kher): You have not yet
answered my question (Sadhguru laughs). I feel that it’s important for me to know. Sadhguru: Yes, right now… Interviewer (Anupam Kher): What is unique about you? Sadhguru: See, the very nature
of the existence is like this. The very nature of what’s
happening around you is like this. If you convert mud into food we call this agriculture. It’s the same mud, can you eat t he mud? Can you take it on your p late and eat it? No. But if you wait, you put a seed and wait, the same mud becomes food
and how we value it and eat it. But it is something else. But when you eat it, it becomes flesh and bone,
it becomes you and it’s so valuable for you and so many other people. So this is the way of the life. What is filth will become a flower if only
you mature it in the right direction. This flower, its beauty and its fragrance
comes from filth. The more filth you put at the root,
better the flowers will grow. So the question is not about what is different,
the question is not about what is special, the question is just about will you allow yourself
to mature or will you let yourself just roll in filth. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): I feel very proud
to be an Indian and I’m sure lot of people feel but corruption bothers me and
I’m sure you also spoke about it. Do you think spirituality can help
get rid of corruption to some extent? Sadhguru: See, let’s understand this corruption,
properly in its right perspective rather than reacting against a bunch of people
who are in an advantageous position, okay (Laughter)? Why I want you to understand this is, because
for the first time in the history of independent India these sixty-four years, that means
two generations of people, they have at least fifty to sixty percent
of them have had such a bad deal. Today you and me, will talk all this
and go home and eat well. There’s a whole bunch of people, almost
four hundred million people who cannot do that. So if we handle the next five to ten years right,
we can change that. It’s a tremendous possibility which is on our threshold. There’s an economic possibility sitting on the threshold. If we conduct this right, we can change their lives. Those people who have not eaten properly,
those children who are malnourished, which is of the highest level of malnourishment,
those who are not educated, those who don’t have opportunities, those
who are in that horrible social and economic pit, their lives can change in the next five to ten years
if we conduct our act right. Every Indian should understand this. It is not just about economy means stock market, it is about hungry people who will have food on their plate. Economy does not mean stock market. Economy does not mean foreign cars coming into India. Economy does not mean you wear better clothes
or this and that. Improving economy means there will be
no hungry children in the country, which is something all of us should do something about (Applause). And that possibility i s being jeopardized. Wherever I go I speak to various economic
and political leaders around the world – everybody says, “We want to come to India. India is a big possibility, but the
humiliation of corruption, we can’t bear it.” Because it’s not just about money. They’re willing to pay a percentage
and get the work done, but the humiliation that they’re put through
on a daily basis, which we have gotten used to, they’re not willing to go through that, they said,
“It doesn’t matter if we don’t do business, but we don’t want to come there
and go through all that rubbish.” So this possibility is being jeopardized
by a handful of people. Or it is wrong to say it’s a handful of people
– it’s a nation-full of corruption. Because how many people in Mumbai streets,
if there is no policemen, will stop at the red light? I think only ten percent will stop. So these ninety percent are corrupt people. If they make… If you make them the chief ministers and
prime ministers you know what they will do (Applause)? So instead of just calling it by one bad word
called “corruption,” we need to understand we as a society are trying to move from a feudalistic way of managing our lives to a democratic way. The democratic way has still not sunk into us. So I’m saying in our psyche we are still feudalistic in nature, but we are trying to run a democracy. Democracy will not happen with an active sense
of education as to what is democracy, what is the power of dem ocracy, what it means, what is the responsibility of living in a democratic society. This has not been done, we just took democracy
from the British and we think if they just put their vote and get their fingers dirty
once in five years, everything is settled. No, we have not educated people. We are still a feudalistic society
acting to be democratic. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Suppose – hypothetical question, I must announce that before Suppose you were made the prime minister of this country for one month, how will you change things? Sadhguru: See, there are enough instruments
in the democratic process. Making me or anybody a prime minister for
one month is a cruel thing (Laughter). Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Okay, for five years. Sadhguru: Yes (Laughter). Interviewer (Anupam Kher): So you admit that
one month is not sufficient? I understand. Sadhguru: No, because one month is a very cruel joke. It doesn’t matter who. Who comes to power for one month, he can’t
do anything in a nation as diverse as India. To get this nation moving.. you need to understand this, you cannot move this nation with policy, with rules. You can only move this nation when anything that you want to achieve in this country you make it a movement. If you do not make it a movement, if people
do not emotionally connect to that, no rules, no policy is going to work in this country. It is only people who have been implanted
from somewhere, who have not grown up with Indian people,
who do not understand this. They think if you make a rule
everything is going to work. This is not Switzerland. If you announce on the notice board
everybody will follow (Laughs). Here you have to make a movement out of it;
you have to make emotionally… people connect emotionally
to what needs to be achieved. If you’re not able to do that,
nothing is ever going to happen. So whoever becomes the prime minister,
I don’t want to imagine myself there… Anupam Kher: What do you think should be done? Sadhguru: It can be very easily done. There are examples of states which are
going leaps and bounds ahead. If you saw Bihar just ten years ago, it was just… I have driven through Bihar
just wanting to see what Bihar is. It was… it just looked like Afghanistan,
large parts of it. Today things are happening,
wonderful things are happening, just one man. Things are happening in Gujarat, just one man. So can’t we produce twenty-five men or women
like that in this country for every state? (Applause) Are we so impotent that we cannot produce
twenty-five human beings with some integrity who will do something straight for this nation? And today you don’t have to do much. India is sitting on a boom time, you just have to just manage a few things and let it happen, that’s all. You just have to see that economic process
do not go out of control, you just have to manage that. You don’t have to do anything, it’s boom time,
the whole world is looking towards you. The only two economies everybody is banking on,
is right now China and India. India is better equipped because it’s a democracy,
because all the numbers are scrutinized. But what is in China cannot be scrutinized. So many people are very suspicious and fearful,
because it’s supported by the government. India has a proper corporate structure. India has a reliable stock market,
which is a reading, Indian market is open, you can study what you want,
you know where you’re putting your money. So definitely India would be a n atural destination
for every investor in the world, only thing is they’re afraid of our… Interviewer (Anupam Kher): System… Sadhguru: Corruption, not the system.
They like our system. Our corruption… Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Corrupt system. Sadhguru: System is not corrupt. Interviewer (Anupam Kher ): Corruption. Sadhguru: Corruption (Laughter). The reason… (Laughs)
it’s the people who are manning it… Interviewer (Anupam Kher): He has a way of
making me say things that he wants me to say. (Laughter) Sadhguru: No, no, the people who are manning it… people who are manning it are the problem. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): But how do we find them? You mentioned two states –
you mentioned Gujarat and you mentioned Bihar. And strangely they are not the states
which we have in the center. So how do we… are we politically corrupt…
politically completely bankrupt? How do we do that? Sadhguru: No, no, no, it is… it is only because common people are not participating in the democratic process. Participating in the democratic process does not just mean once in five years you cast your vote – most people don’t even do that. But I’m saying even if you do that, that is not enough. Democracy is an active sport.
It’s not a spectator’s sport. You can’t sit back and say
“Let somebody do democracy.” Democracy means you are the boss,
you can’t sleep on it. You have to be active to everything around you. If you do not bring that consciousness in people,
that awareness and activism in people, it’ll not work. At the same time, for everything you protest,
for everything you call a bandh, for everything, you know, it’s our culture. People have understood the technology of
how to stop the nation – bandh, hartaal. But how to run the nation, it’s a different technology (Applause). I am saying, at least once a month in your street, in your region, whatever is the sticking points in your area, in your street, just make a list of that, get a few people together, whoever the councilor, the MLA, call him for a meeting,
talk to him what needs to happen. Casting vote once in five years is not good enough,
because you employee somebody and you don’t see that he works – that is not…
doesn’t make sense, isn’t it (Applause)? Interviewer (Anupam Kher): I grew up in these
lower middle class family, small town. As a child I had a great
sense of wonder about everything. I, till today, have a great sense of wonder. I am very happy to be talking to you. I don’t see that in today’s children. I don’t see a sense of wonder in today’s children. Sadhguru: Because they replaced the wonder
with “www” (Laughter/Applause). Anupam Kher: Exactly, exactly that’s right! Sadhguru: They know the whole universe
before they are six. Anupam Kher: Exactly they know everything. They just to have to press Google and all the information but information does not necessarily
translate into knowledge at all. So how do… and they always say this,
“That’s the way I am!” I don’t see my grandfather even at the age
of eighty-four said, “Ah that’s the way I am!” So what is this, “That’s the way I am,”
“I’m bored,” “dude,” “cool?” I think that to be bad is being cool. If you say, “I am a good man,” he is a boring man. Sadhguru: Usually they are (Laughter/Applause) Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Yeah they are for the world,
for the marketing part of it Breaking news after every fifteen minutes
for millions of channels is never about good things. It’s only about disaster, rape, swindling of money. We are marketing fear, we are becoming people
who are constantly made to feel, suddenly in India also that we are living in a world
which is not very, very peaceful, which is not to be… which is a dangerous world. We are becoming, pardon my saying, like America,
where we don’t look at somebody for a little longer I was in America two years back I was looking at somebody thinking whether
should I ask him my hotel – because in my hotel there was a mall,
so I went into the mall, and when I came out I could not see my hotel. Because I must have got off from somewhere else. So I was looking at somebody to ask him
whether should I ask him where my hotel is. So he said… Sadhguru: “Why are you staring at me?” Anupam Kher: “What are you staring at?” I being an actor I said, “Am I staring at you sir? I’m sorry. I did not know I was staring at you” (Laughter). Poor fellow actually dropped me to my hotel. (Laughter) What my point is, how do you retain,
how does one in today’s time in these times retain a certain amount of innocence,
a certain amount of sense of wonder? How does one do that? Sadhguru: See now there are two things you said,
wonder and innocence. Wonder does not necessarily come from innocence. See for example, When you were a child you
definitely looked up at the sky, isn’t it? Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Absolutely. Sadhguru: Did you ever count the stars? Interviewer (Anupam Kher): I used to do that in Simla,
there was nothing to do. Sadhguru: You tried. How far did you go? Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Oh, no, no, nothing
I could not go beyond hundred or two hundred. Sadhguru: Ahhh… So I meticulously sat down on the terrace, counting, counting, counting, trying to make, you know, segments of the sky and
trying to count, count, count. I’ve gone up to seventeen hundred
and then you get mixed up. What was there is not there,
what was not there has come. You know it gets all mixed up. But today, that itself was wonder,
seventeen hundred just blew my mind. Today scientists are telling you there are over hundred billion galaxies, not stars, hundred billion galaxies. So as you explore, as you know the wonder will increase because you realize the nature of the existence,
then wonder will just explode. So wonder is gone not because of lack of innocence
or because of innocence, because what we call as knowledge –
stupid conclusions about life. Nobody is… today people are carrying their
attention deficiency like a qualification. Anything in this existence will yield to you
only if you pay substantial attention to it. But now people have become like this. They can’t look at anything,
everything is chuk chuk chuk chuk. Now in this condition there will be no wonder,
only conclusions in your head. There is no perception. There is only, you know monologues going on
in your head, there is no perception. If there is perception all noise in your head
will just stop. If you’re looking at something absolutely
beautiful and engaging, everything stops. Why people are enjoying your cinema is just this,
you switch off the lights, they’re focused on the thing. For those whatever few minutes or ninety minutes
or whatever, their usual monologues are gone, something else is happening. It is the attention which is making the difference,
it is not what play… what’s playing on the screen. It is what is playing on the screen is instrumental
in grabbing the attention but it is the attention, continuous attention which is making
the experience of being there. So this is a rudimentary form of meditation. It’s called dharana. Anupam Kher: So how does one
in today’s time retain that attention span? Sadhguru: One simple thing is… Everybody must do something about themselves. Every child, every school should bring this dimension that a child is required to pay attention
to something continuously. It could be music; it could be dance. See you cannot do music or dance
unless you pay attention to it you know. You’ll make a fool of yourself
if do not pay enough attention. But you can pass an examination without attention. You understand (Laughs)? I’ve seen this simple thing, children came to us…
we have a Isha Home School, which is a very… run in a very different way. I one day went to the Assembly hall, these six,
six-and-a-half year old kids, they’re all like this (Gestures), like this, like this. I said, “Why are the kids like broken tops? Why are they shaking around like this?” Then I just brought this thing, simply
every day in the morning, “Sa ri ga ma pa da ni sa,” fifteen minutes, everybody must do. You go there after two months
they’re all sitting like this (Gestures). That’s all it takes. You just take them into the jungle. Make them walk for a night, without torches,
without cell-phones, without anything in a protected atmosphere. You will see within one night there’ll be a tremendous transformation in the sense of wonder in the child’s life. But we are making them
physically incapable of these things. Sitting just in front of the computers
they are becoming physically incapable. When physically it hurts they will protest. They will not do anything. So it’s something that parents must take care of. Bringing up your child does not mean just sending him to school and getting marks and grades and nonsense. Your child in body and mind
should grow up to full capabilities. That is when it’ll manifest in his life as success. Just marks will not manifest as success. Anupam Kher: For that parents also have to be Sadhguru: Of course. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): peaceful and restful. Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Do you get angry? Sadhguru: You want me to right now? Anupam Kher: You can (laughter) Sadhguru: It’s not that I am incapable of anger.
I am capable of everything. It is just that I have not given this privilege
to anybody that they can make me angry, they can make me happy, they can make me unhappy,
they can make me miserable. I’ve not give this privilege to anybody
(Laughter/Applause). If somebody need to be shouted at, boom I’ll go (Laughs). Anupam Kher: So what makes you angry? Sadhguru: It doesn’t make me angry. If they need a shouting I’ll give it to them. See, there are different kinds of people in the world. There is somebody here, if I just look at them
they’ll understand why they’re being looked at. There’s somebody here, if you at them
they’ll just stare back at you (Laughter). If you tell them gently they will understand. There is somebody here, if you tell them gently
they won’t get it, you have to shout at them. There is somebody else here, even if you shout
you won’t… they won’t get it, you have to knock them on their head and tell them. Different levels of sensitivity in the world. Your action should be appropriate
to the situations in which you exist. I am not bound like this,
“I will not say this, I will be gentle, I will be nice,” I have no such things. I am just appropriate to the situations in which I exist. What you need, I will do. If you need only shouting I will do.
What’s my problem (Laughs)? Anupam Kher: What’s your shortcoming? Sadhguru: Hmm? My shortcoming is
I am not tall enough (Laughter). Interviewer (Anupam Kher): You are the tallest
man right now over here, we know that. Sadhguru: I came little short. Anupam Kher: Do you feel lonely? Sadhguru: When you’re alone, if you feel lonely, obviously you’re in bad company, isn’t it? (Laughter/Applause) Anupam Kher: It’s a great journey
to be talking to you I must say. If you have to describe before we go to the
questions to the audience, if you have to describe yourself in one word,
what will that word be? Apart from mystic (Laughter).
Sadhguru: Okay. Would you consider “wildlife” as two words
or one word (Laughter)? Anupam Kher: For you it’s one word (Laughter). Sadhguru: One word. Life… life, uncultured, uncultivated just
wild and as it is, that’s me. (Laughter/Applause) Anupam Kher: You’re warm also. Sadhguru: Just life, nothing else (Laughs). Anupam Kher: It’s been very enriching talking to you.
I must say that i’m feel it I feel rich. Ahhh… okay, so questions from the audience. Yes, please. Kiranji wants to ask you a question, yes. Sadhguru: I am sure it’s for him (Laughter). Anupam Kher: Not for me (Laughter). Kiran Kher: All the questions for Anupam still remain unanswered even though I’ve asked them very often, so I won’t attempt it again. But I want to say that I am very privileged
to finally see you in person. Your book Mystic’s Musings which I read
many years ago when I lost my brother, my younger brother, and it was a
great tragedy in the family and something that I was finding very difficult to cope with… It gave me, it gave me great amount of courage
and made me feel much better. Also it talked a lot about spirits, it talked
a lot about life being a continuous process. In that you, you write about when you and your wife,
everybody was constructing the Dhyanalingam and you talk about how the thread of life
or the grasp of life, something to that effect, became very fragile when she could not hold on to it
and she passed away. What exactly did you mean by that? Sadhguru: The life within you manages
to stick to the physicality of who you are. Physicality is something that you gathered. It is not you. It is material. It is just a piece of this planet. What you gathered from the planet,
if it has to stick to the life that you are, you must be in a certain level of reverberance. If you drop in intensity below
a certain point you can’t hold it. That is called as dying of old age. If you have seen anybody close-up
who are dying of old age, you will see his eyes become feeble, life becomes feeble, it’s like the body is struggling to hold it but it can’t hold because it’s become too feeble. If the reverberation goes below a certain
level of intensity it can’t stick to the body, it will leave. So that is generally understood as leaving peacefully
because without struggle it just passed on. So that is if the intensity drops. Another way to leave is you raise the pitch
of life’s intensity to such a pitch it went beyond normal pitch,
then also you leave the body. So, spiritual sadhana is trying to get the
pitch of your life to the highest point. Because only if the intensity of life is high. It’s like the voltage is high,
that’s why the lights are bright. If your voltage is low, the lights will be dim,
your awareness will be dim, your perception will be dim. All you will know is just survival process. So you want to pitch it up. So when you pitch it up beyond a certain point,
there is always a danger that you will slip out. So we will fix certain things. We will fix certain things when a spiritual aspirant…
aspirant is progressing with a certain rapidity, we will fix the body in a certain way
so that that cannot happen. Just yesterday the ashram sathsang
when we were there, one lady asked, “Why women are asked to wear
toe rings when they get married?” Because marriage was supposed to be such a
huge experience that they could leave the body. At the age of eight they would marry them. They will never see each other till they are
fourteen or fifteen but emotionally, psychologically she’s cultivated and cultivated to believe
that her husband is like god, when she meets him life will explode. That possibility in the child’s mind has built up. When she is physically mature,
she’s brought into marriage. Because in this country, in this culture,
there is no business, there is no marriage, there is no child, there is no family, everything
is just a tool towards your liberation and mukti. You get married because you want to use that
as a tool to your liberation. You raise children because you want to use
that as a tool to your liberation. You become a sanyasi because you want to use that. It does not matter what you do, everything
is towards your mukti or liberation. Because of this they nurtured this girl and
boy in such a way that for four to six years they have not seen each other but they are
made to believe when they meet, Something is going to happen. In the child’s mind it’s grown to such
a big possibility. Something does not mean,
like how today’s teenagers are thinking something means there’s only one thing,
there’s no something, okay? They are not thinking about that one thing alone. It is not just two bodies meeting,
not just two minds and emotions meeting, two lives being merged into one. So we created various devices. You know there’s something called as mangalsutra. Sutra means… What’s a kite in Hindi? Anupam Kher: Patang Sadhguru: Patang, is it? You have a sutra for that? Anupam Kher: Yeah, dorr. Sadhguru: So if you have the right kind of sutra
the kite will fly. So the mangal sutra is that that you prepare
it in certain way. It’s an energy thread and you are supposed
to replace it every year. Somebody who knows what it is gives you a live sutra, matches the husband and wife
their energies in such a way, they are not just bound in body, mind and emotion – they are bound as two lives. Any number of events have happened like this in the past, which is becoming more and more rare these days, if a man or a woman dies, within forty days
the husband or wife will also just die. Have you heard of this? There was a time when this film people were
singing, “Janam janam,” all that. Now they’re talking expiry date for relationships (Laughter). No “janam janam” songs anymore (Laughter). Because the idea was to bind two lives. How the bodies match, how the minds match, emotions match is not important, two lives are entwined. So there is a kind of bonding. Many of them have never spoken to each other;
there is a bonding, which is unexplainable. The sense of bond that they felt was so deep
because it was a scientific process of binding two lives in such a way that there is no question of compatibility, this that. It doesn’t matter, you marry a devil still you are bound
and you feel an ecstatic sense within you simply because of the union within yourself
not because of what somebody else is doing. So now in a marriage, what somebody else is doing or what your husband or wife is doing doesn’t matter, just the way you are is an explosive experience. This is how lot of women lived in the past
because the process was very scientific, and it was done properly. So they put this metal on the toes
and also on the ring finger always because if there is metal on certain strategic places
in your body you will not accidentally leave your body. So when you do spiritual sadhana,
when we notice somebody is becoming very intense, first thing is I will gift them a simple copper ring which they must wear and
they cannot remove without permission because if this simple metal is on the ring finger when they get into certain states of exuberance
by accident they will not slip out of the body. So she got into such exuberant states,
naturally certain little bit of jewelry things were there. These things were never discussed till that point. There’re many things I refused to discuss because devices will work well only
when people do not know how it works. So we just put it on people we never explain. But when this situation happened
I had to explain what happened. She sat there on a full moon day
evening with everybody. There were people around and after five minutes…
it is in the shrine, she got up and went. My eyes are closed. I knew she got up. I got little irritated because nobody ever
gets up once they sit down. Till we say it is time nobody ever gets up. And of all the people my wife getting up and
going little irritation in me, one… “Why is she getting up of all the people?” Then I ignored it and I sat down. After five minutes she came and sat down. In another seven, eight minutes she just (Gestures)
went like that. When I looked she was gone with a…
with a big smile on her face. Then I looked, she’s removed her nose ring,
she’s removed her bangles, she’s removed her toe… toe rings. See she did not know intellectually but at that moment
she felt this is what is stopping her. And she pulled out all those things,
kept next to the washbasin and came back and she sat down,
within seven, eight minutes… but this is not something that happened accidentally. She announced this almost nine months ahead of time. She had prepared my girl who was only seven years
at that time that she’s going to leave in this month, but it happened one month early
for various reasons, that’s a different aspect. But this is not new in this country. Any number of yogis just sit down,
announce to everybody and leave their body. She was not somebody who was
steeped in spiritual sadhana. She’s just a very alive – she is either
up or down you know. She is either absolutely exuberant or down,
she doesn’t know the in-between (Laughs) She’s not somebody who do… whom you would
consider a yogi or established in sadhana, nothing like that. She is a very exuberant person and that’s all it takes,
that you’re alive. That’s all it takes. It’s not that you know this or that,
you’re just hundred percent alive, that’s the only qualification you need. And she started working towards it,
she announced it nine months ahead. We tried to sabotage it in so many ways to
slow it down but, it went the way it went. Anupam Kher: Yes, Please. Questioner 2: At the Isha Yoga Center in Coimbatore, near the samadhi of your wife is a photograph,
which sent shivers down my spine. The feelings are of sheer ecstasy in my interpretation. How does one achieve that level of ecstasy in our life? Sadhguru: See every life that is here is capable of joy,
is capable of blissfulness, is capable of ecstasy. The only problem is they’re not able to sustain it. The problem is of sustainability. Everybody knows moments of all this but to be there, to be there you,
have not built the necessary foundations. See if there is a wall, you can jump up and have a peep. Or you can go on a trampoline and have a
little longer peep but you will come down. But if you build a ladder, which is not so romantic as jumping but if you climb up you’re across the wall. So, instead of calling it by different names
like blissfulness, ecstasy, this, that… Pleasantness – highest level of pleasantness –
this is what every human being wants. If your body is pleasant we say it is health. If it becomes very pleasant we say it’s pleasure. If your mind is pleasant we say this is peace. If it becomes very pleasant we say this is joy. If your emotions are pleasant we say this is love. If it becomes very pleasant we say it’s compassion. If your very life energies are pleasant
we say this is bliss. If it is very pleasant we say this is ecstasy. If your surroundings have become pleasant
we say you are a success. This is all every human being is seeking, isn’t it? Nothing more. You want your insides pleasant. You want your outsides pleasant. This is all a human being is seeking. Outside pleasantness you need people’s co-operation, yes? It is a craft, you have to arrange, you have to compromise, you have to deal with situations properly. Creating outside pleasantness
is a certain talent, a certain capability. Not everybody is able to do
the same thing on the outside. But when it comes to interiority
all of us are equally capable. Nobody has come better endowed than the other. Every human being is capable of the same thing
in the inward dimension. So somebody is sitting in a state of ecstasy,
how to get there, is it possible for me? Don’t even ask the question, “Is it possible?” If it is possible for me it is for sure possible for you. But what I do on the outside – is it possible for you? Maybe may not be. But what I do on the inside is it possible for me? Definitely, definitely possible! Inner experience, nobody can be denied. External capabilities are different. So what needs to be done? Whatever you’ve been through the
Inner Engineering is the fundamental. If you get this one thing right,
you will naturally grow into that. The problem is everyday you keep undoing it,
do you understand (Laughs)? So everyday in the morning you do this, now
we are giving the Isha Kriya CD also all over Mumbai, but everyday in the morning you give yourself
a 3-minute crash course in Inner Engineering. You will see in three months’ time
you will be feeling very pleasant. In six months’ time, if you simply look at a tree,
you will burst into ecstasy. If you look at a cloud, you will burst into ecstasy. If you close your eyes,
you will get there no matter what. You just need an excuse (Laughs). You will become like that for sure. Because these are the fundamentals that is…
that’s why I am saying it’s engineering because if you want to engineer something
you have to do it right otherwise it’ll not work. You can’t somehow… see, you want to build this building, you can’t somehow place something and hope it will stand. It will not stand. You have to place it in a certain way.
Then only the building stands up, isn’t it? Similarly you have to hold yourself in a certain way, then only this experience holds up
otherwise moments up and then down. Anupam Kher: Also I feel – with your permission, I think if you depend on others to make you happy,
I think there’s a possibility you may not be happy. If you decide that you need to decide to be happy
then there is a possibility… Sadhguru: Why are you underestimating her husband (Laughter)? Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Okay. (Laughter) Questioner 3: Good evening all of you Guruji, I would like to know, you know man is always craving for more and more
and not happy at all with whatever he gets. Of course you just explained now how happiness
is an internal state of being. What would you tell to normal people as to
how to get peace and happiness in their lives? Anupam Kher: You have asked a simple question… (Laughter) Sadhguru: The problem is not that human beings
are craving for more, they are craving too little. Right now instead of… when human consciousness
is able to grasp the whole cosmos instead of craving for that, they are craving
for an apartment in Mumbai (Laughter/Applause ). Just stupid (Laughs). So their suffering is not because they are
craving for more, they are craving for too little. They are kanjoos even in their craving (Laughter). That is their problem. Please crave for everything. You will be wonderful. There will be no misery. You are craving for little things, that is your problem. When such a big possibility is there, going for this
is very… it’s criminal I would say (Laughs). So it is because of this crime they are suffering, they are being punished for this crime
not for craving too much. They are not craving enough. When creation and creator is possible,
they just want this little piece of property, that’s all they’re thinking of, they can’t think beyond that. So they suffer for limiting themselves
not because of craving for too much. Sadhguru: Can I do a chant? Interviewer (Anupam Kher): Yes please. Sadhguru chants: Shiv.. Karacharanakritam Vaakkaayajam Karmajam Vaa
Shravana Nayanajam Vaa Maanasam Vaa Aparaadham Vihitamavihitam Vaa Sarvametatkshamasva Jaya Jaya Karunaabdhe Jaya Jaya Karunaabdhe
Om Shree Mahadeva Shambho Sadhguru: Now immediately the question is
what is the prayer, it’s not a prayer. There is… you need to understand there are
no prayers in this culture, there are only invocations. Prayers are a recent happening. Prayer means you’re trying to talk to somebody. Invocation means you’re trying to bring
out what is the greatest thing within you. Now what this chant – to put it in a simplest form is,
everything – the earth that I walk upon, the air that I breathe, the water that I drink,
the food that I eat, the very space in which we exist,
the hand of the creator is active. The only most beautiful thing that you can do is
to be absolutely involved with this, but still not distort the hand of the creation. You do not distort the hand of the creator. That is something that you do is an aberration
to what the creator intends. The intelligence behind creation,
what is intending, what it is intending, to be in tune with that, not to do
some rubbish of your own thing. So this is a journey from being
a piece of creation to being the creator. Every human being is capable of this. It’s my wish and my blessing
this should become the reality in your life. Thank you very much for being here (Applause).

52 Comments

  1. CYNTHIA O'KEEFFE Author

    This is new to me, I think what makes Sadhguru unique is his ability to discuss deepest truths without any doctrine separating people. I am American, but am pulled intellectually to hear his perspective. It opens possibilities in my thinking. I am grateful to hear and read these truths. I thank those who have brought translations of Hindu to English speaking people. Thank you.

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  2. Zero One Author

    I strongly believe in very few time every country will follow India by some miracles, who knows what going to happen but my higher mind always telling this and sadhguru is a ultimate being and India will be great nation at 2020..

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  3. SAURABH KUMAR Author

    You & your thought are the need of the Nation. Yes we can change our Great India into Greatest country. Guide the youth of India towards betterment of Nation.

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  4. Suchith Babu Author

    A huge blessing in the end…very rarely do Mahatmas give it..the people in the audience are very lucky …if they use it properly. Jai Bharat…

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  5. Artanam Surya di Author

    Sadhguru promise if we do isha kriya continuously we will experience an esthatic state. Oh definitely i'll try, if something not happening, i will blame you sadhguru

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  6. Neil Pollicino Author

    The man is talking to me…”when the student is ready, the teacher will appear”
    Alan Watts taught me to be open to someone like Sadhguru…

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